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one realizes very quickly we've been

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I had access to to all those programs

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40 feet long no windows no no real wings

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or control surfaces no obvious signs of

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repulsion and yet this object is

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witnessed Now by four separate

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hey guys how's it going welcome back to

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the channel good to see a lot of people

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here in the live chat as always

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um if you guys have any questions as

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always put them in capital letters keep

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the chat nice and polite even if we have

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differences of opinions we don't need to

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be horrible

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um yeah I think one thing I'd like to

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mention before we bring on my guest

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today is uh I'm sure you're all aware of

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Andy mcgrillin and that UFO podcast well

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uh he's a part of UAP media UK along

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with myself and a few other good folk

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and we are about to launch our annual

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fundraiser raffle which we do each year

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at this time

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um and Andy has already released the

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first kind of um way of supporting it

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and that is Sean Cahill's track Goblin

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problems which is used at the end of

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each show on that UFO podcast you can

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now own the entire track

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um the link is in the description you

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can go and I think it's a three pound

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minimum you can pay what you want after

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that if you want to donate more and it

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all goes to cash for Kids Charity so

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we're going to announce the big uh the

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fundraiser in the next few days and

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there's some incredible prizes up for

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grabs so look out on my social medias

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that you have a podcast UAP media UK and

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you'll see how you can kind of take part

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and support two good charities

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so with that out the way guys thank you

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for being here um my guest tonight is

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Paul Sinclair I met Paul back in June in

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Blackpool uh The Awakening conference

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and I said Paul I need to interview on

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the show and it's took till the end of

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November but we're here today and it's

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going to be a really fascinating

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conversation so please welcome Paul

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I'm gilvini great to be here and uh

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we'll just share a few bits of

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information with your yourself and your

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guests I really appreciate it really do

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appreciate having you on

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um

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now I think the best place to start

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would just be your background you know

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and what kind of got you into the whole

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UFO paranormal Cryptid the whole sort of

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uh mysterious subject if you don't mind

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yeah not a problem Cryptids no idea how

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I got into it well we're writing first

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book there weren't an interest there

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until probably 2015. uh none at all uh

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not so I've locked into UFOs always had

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an interest due to

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my own experiences in childhood

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and uh I don't even think I don't even

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think you know you've got an interest

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it's just there it just it just comes

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with you from childhood kind of throwing

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all that all that stopped probably

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for some reason no idea why and and then

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1993 stroke four I'd never get it quite

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it it it it it it literally started

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again and I don't mean it started again

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that year or two years after it

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literally started within days of Mo

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buying this property which was strange

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it kind of people the people think I

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wonder if your last mapped out

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I'm not one of the subscriber to that

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but it does make you wonder you know it

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did start again

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so yeah UFOs I mean yeah I don't know

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how old I would be probably five or six

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years old lived in a little Council

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village

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and it overlooked mexborough the town

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to the right hand side you've got two

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big cooling towers and you've got this

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pasture cattle in it and Reeds and swamp

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land there's about a mile look into

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mexborough or street lights for some

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reason on this particular night that I'm

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I'm in this back bedroom my dad came and

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woke me up really unusual he got me up

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and he showed me this he didn't so this

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is a UFO he wanted to show me this

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sphere of light

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turning it looked like it would it would

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it would just turning within itself it

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were a lemony lemony white color and it

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wore lower than Power Station cooling

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towers about halfway up them but at

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they've got some really good binoculars

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still got them I mean by today's

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standards they're not good but then they

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and uh this thing just traveled along

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rooftops and express above them

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obviously and disappeared towards

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Swinton we've since found out now thanks

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to a good friend who lives in area

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there's a newspaper report 1966 so

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that's when it were an album born in 62.

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so don't ask me yeah and I'm gonna have

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to get down I only found out this year

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so and get this it was a guy who saw the

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who claimed to have took the photographs

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of the UFOs at connersburg don't they've

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ever seen that picture probably it's out

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there aren't that it's a famous picture

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a lot of people said it's fake I don't

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know I didn't know the guy till he

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started corresponding with me and this

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other one with like three objects yeah

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yeah yeah and he just got in touch and

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it turned out that's the that's the guy

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who took him and uh Stephen Pratt I

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think they called him and uh

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yeah there we go so that's 1966 so we're

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assuming that's the same one because it

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was described as being seen outside at

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cooling towers at Mexico power station

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I don't know from there there's just

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been odd sightings throughout years and

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then when we got to Bridlington up on

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the walls East Yorkshire walls farmers

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and different people were getting in

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voicing an opinion or showing that

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you've got an interest in this subject I

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don't mean people just come out of the

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woodwork but

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like-minded people do seem to attract

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and it's like a magnet they're drawn to

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you or you're drawn to them and and

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that's basically how it works I think

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we're all doing it that's probably why

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there'll be people wanted to look for

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for this podcast at some point you know

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not because of Paul just because of the

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UFO phenomena the Cryptids whatever

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it's non-stop we had this brilliant

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sighting in 2000 I think it was 2002.

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uh that's a place called sledmere maybe

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about 12 15 miles away from where I'm

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sat now traveling home from York

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uh I think it would I think it was June

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I'd got this we were in a van I would

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have been another Joiner called shorty

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and I also say it was on some kind of

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comedian but I'm sure to answer this guy

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was six foot five

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so I don't know we're driving up to that

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base and it's a little village and it's

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at a fire station just one fire engine

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in it the reason we stopped there that's

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where we stopped because as we're

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driving up this hill to back home to

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Bridlington

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above trees there's a huge tube I call

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it I likened it to a breadstick that's

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the chicken and it was literally above

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the trees saw stopped the van

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and we got out we're looking at this

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thing and I'm saying to shorty because

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he's not very interesting subject at all

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you know so you can't say it worked

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tomorrow that we you've not seen this

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you and is it one of them UFO I can hear

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him saying is it one of them UFO

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thingies

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it's a minute you could feel this thing

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oh wow really it was my pulsing it was

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strange we looked at each other

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and said where's it gone

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it didn't fly away it had just gone

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I went to Bridlington Free Press and

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said what we'd seen and the following

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week another couple well a couple got in

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touch they'd seen it as well which were

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interesting so that well that

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that I don't know what yeah someone

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tells me it was 2002.

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2014 just over the brow

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as you come over sled me you go to a

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place called cotton all these are up on

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walls uh the walls is like an ancient

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term for the Wilds it's just it's just

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Barren landed no good for

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anything really about grazing sheep and

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you know and there's not many trees

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there because it's just it's a bit wild

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I got going to a few farms in area get

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get to know them and up at cotton

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there's this particular Farm there and I

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got a phone call to say that they've

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seen a UFO they've seen this strange

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object this one this was 2014 I think

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and there's some great big Gates big

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enough for combines to go in and

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everything we used to park there they

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got to know me because I looked

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suspicious you know but it's true and

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they came up the two farmers literally

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are the guy called Steve ashbridge and

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uh what are you doing and when as soon

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as we told him

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everything softened they'd seen these

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things they'd seen these strange lights

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but they're after all they're in the

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middle of nowhere these Farms

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so in in and we I don't think we became

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great friends but he'd say we were

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friends he'd said to me like what you

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come up don't pack on road just pull off

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onto the farm make sure it Gates shut

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when you've gone so anyway he told me

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he'd seen this object and I went up to

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speak to him and he's great big Gates he

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says my son and my wife he said we've

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just come home

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summertime sorry the late evening summer

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time but not quite dark and

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they've just had a mass to put up at the

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bottom they're they're Cottage or their

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Farmhouse should I say it doesn't even

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you can't even see it from Rolling sort

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of goes down into a little Valley

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and in the valley that had a mass to put

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up to measure wind speed tall thin Mast

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it says and sun gets out of care to shut

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the gate and then I'm not sure which

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ones saw it I think you've got some show

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it and said Dad look look and coming up

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below the the brow of this this sort of

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all old out area this Valley is like a

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huge civil it sounds like what we saw

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and it's literally probably a mile away

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quite he described it as a jumbo jet

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without wings on its side just coming up

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he said it was in front of the Mast so

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that yeah and it's coming up towards him

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they could see when there was three

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people two of them could see windows in

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it the the the farmer he couldn't they

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all did me drawings for it just little

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rough sketches and it's coming towards

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him he's slowly coming towards him and

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the panicking and then all of a sudden

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they said where's he gone

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and it had just vanished

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so I wonder if we were dealing with same

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thing there's there's 10 or 12 years in

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between you know but yeah it's

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interesting and and up around the East

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Yorkshire walls and North Yorkshire

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these things have been seen for years

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there's a farmer up there

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and I I believe he's probably got more

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UFO footage than certainly anybody in

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the United Kingdom he's got he's got

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cameras on cams in every window every

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upstairs window just sweeping the day

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and night and collecting this

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information and you know who knows about

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it obviously I know and I'm talking

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about it I'm not going to say who he is

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but nobody really is it just is just

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obsessed

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is you know he's watching all the time I

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will say that is is with is he is within

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a shot of RF staxton world right uh

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literally very close to RF stop

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stepstone world

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seen lots of unusual things bear in mind

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there's no Landing

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stripper outage that's the wall it's not

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so you can't land aircraft there or

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anything like that and they've seen lots

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of aerial phenomena and we have as well

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up around there I mean some some unusual

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things we need I don't know what you'd

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even turn them as I mean it could be

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Earth Earth related phenomena you know

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as Earth lights even because

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I was up there

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once again I can't remember a day but

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with probably 2015 with Steve ashbridge

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back of staxton world the radar base and

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a guy called Joe Dahmer who run the UFO

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Society UFO Society he didn't drive and

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we went and picked him up at Scarborough

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and he came through with us and I've got

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a Sony VX 2100 camcorder big digital

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thing you know and uh I'm stuck there

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with this camcorder and we're looking

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around

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in the distance we can see the village

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of driftfield and I suddenly became

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animated because from the ground

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covering a monstrous area this huge

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mushroom-shaped turquoise light just

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went

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just snapped into existence didn't light

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the scale pictures

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and I'm telling Steve I'm telling Joe

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instead of putting the camera on it had

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gone it was there in an instant it's

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gone so I'm not I should have put my

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camera on and just filmed the area I'm

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trying to tell and I'm trying to bet I'm

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trying to sort of I'm wanting them to

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believe me because I've no proof of it

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other than what I'm saying

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you know what I'm trying to describe

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what I said he almost had like tentacles

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in it it were really strange like a like

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a jellyfish ground

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anyway as we're talking about it it did

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it again so then to saw it with Steve

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were convinced it were going to be local

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papers the next day it covered such a

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large area we talked we were looking at

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it from our perspective up at Stats to

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wall down towards driffield it looked

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like it covered like a mile area it was

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huge wow nobody said a word I'm not

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saying that we're UFO related but it's

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unusual phenomena even if it's natural

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phenomena I've never seen anything like

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it

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and once again in that zone

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so so me and Steve we probably stayed up

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on the walls

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intermittently you know probably three

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or four times a week would go up there

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and observe because our work time as

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well all the time and Steve is someone

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still is and uh we'd go up three or four

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times a week and get to all these

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unusual places where unusual things were

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happening like langtuffed and cotton and

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sled me and it really is renowned for it

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if you'd have gone if you look at old

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UFO reports on net and you do a bit of

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digging around Yorkshire you'll see

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these locations come up and they come up

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in folklore as well for or just just

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very close to it there's a valley called

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the bees and Dale Valium they talk about

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the Phantom lights at the in the

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visendale valley but they're all obscure

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things that you'd have to find in local

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archives that that have never kind of

385
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Hit the internet you know what I mean

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yeah yeah I wrote about this stuff in

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trust Grove one and Truth through the

388
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first two books and that kind of moved

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away not from the walls

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I think it's like all these areas the

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activity started to decrease

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and then we found out that there were a

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lot of activity being seen along the

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coastline of eastern North Yorkshire so

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we moved do you know what I mean we sort

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of fell out wit walls then for a little

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bit

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yeah so yeah so you know it's just the

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way it goes and then like you said we

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moved on on to the eastern North

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Yorkshire Coastline which is on

402
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literally 500 yards from where I'm sat

403
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now you know from and

404
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there's not stuff seen every day myself

405
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and Bob Brown and Steve occasionally we

406
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can go four or five times a week we were

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up there last night

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so I've called the ILS the intelligent

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life forms about two weeks ago so two

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I I went up specifically because the day

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before someone was at a place called

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hunmanby

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six miles down the coast and they rang

414
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me up he said where are you boss as well

415
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I'm at home he said well I'm I'm on

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Cliff tops with my wife they're sat in a

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car I think he says in the seven spheres

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of light out of sea in a lot of orange

419
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spheres of light says that he said

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they've just gone off and now they're on

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on top of cliffs when I say on top

422
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above the cliffs but you know they look

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like they're sort of not far very far

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above the cliff tops of Benton and speed

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and this one earlier this one early

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evening it was dark

427
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it was strange because myself and Bob

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had said we were going to go up there 11

429
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till 1.

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normally would have gone up earlier but

431
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we realized we're not getting a lot of

432
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successful as you know and as everyone

433
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else knows unexplained phenomena does

434
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not present to order you know when you

435
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expect it and and if if as I believe and

436
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maybe other people believe there's there

437
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is awareness to to a lot of what we're

438
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looking at

439
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you're not going to see it anyway I go

440
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out there with a bag of tricks and a lot

441
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of people so we're not going to get

442
00:17:01,910 --> 00:17:00,000
these things because you're taking your

443
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cameras with you true you know it's

444
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possibly true it's not going to stop me

445
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because otherwise all I'm doing is sat

446
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here looking at this computer screen

447
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doing what I'm doing now I want to

448
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present some proof to somebody you know

449
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I I if I listen to Somebody's account

450
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I'm hoping to see a little bit more than

451
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just that yeah that's why first under

452
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counts are all as preferable I don't

453
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really bother with you know second-hand

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Accounts at all really but yeah so we're

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up there not time and it's basically

456
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it's not happening but it's 24 hours in

457
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a day you know and there's a there's a

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lot you're not there

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so yeah that's just brief sort of

460
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outline of the activity

461
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no that's fantastic and you mentioned

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the Earth lights or that kind of type of

463
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phenomena that is something I'm actually

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personally invested in I was out in

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Colombia this year looking at something

466
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along those lines strange orbs

467
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um and then I've been researching things

468
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like the londondale lights scene just

469
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off the snake pass near Manchester and

470
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yeah but you mentioned the the coastline

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where you are I spend a lot of time up

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at flambora and cleethorpe yeah yeah

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um probably four or five times in the

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last 18 months and there is something

475
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about that area yeah I don't know what

476
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it is but I've always I always when it

477
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goes dark I'm out on the edge of the

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Cliffs at flanberry just looking out

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over the sea so what do you think it is

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about that sort of Coastline I don't

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know I mean I've gone back excuse me

482
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I've gone back into Coast Guard logs and

483
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light bulb logs I don't mean every year

484
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I've not been privy to every year in

485
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every Coast Guard Station but what do I

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think it is about the coastline

487
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what is it about any place is it just

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because they've got somebody who's

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investing time in it that these things

490
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are being seen and they could be being

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seen in all parts of the United Kingdom

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you know if if you were willing to spend

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that time you know I packed in work as

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in I've worked really out for a living

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and I packed in doing joinery when I was

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48. uh so I've and I look at this like a

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full-time job even though it pays

498
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absolutely zilch but but us I invent

499
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invested so much time in it that that's

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what it's like you see I woke up at five

501
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this morning and you know if something

502
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was seen and it it required me to go out

503
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for a morning five in morning I would go

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what is it about the coastline I I

505
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really don't know but location is key to

506
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these things and you know that's not a

507
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contradiction when I've just said it

508
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could be being seen all around the UK

509
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because I do believe certain areas are a

510
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lot more prolific for unexplained

511
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phenomena and I seriously believe not

512
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just because I live here seriously

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believe that Benson and speeten are

514
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primary locations probably speak to more

515
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than Benton because it's so unpopulated

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and it's a beach that's fair you know

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because you'll have been there it's

518
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fairly odd to access you can only get to

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it from the speed and church and it's a

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you're dropping down into a ravine which

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is 400 foot it's and it's really steep I

522
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mean locals call it killer Hill not

523
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because it's just because it's it's a

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killer to get back up

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so what I'm saying is

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for the for their lack of footfall it's

527
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receiving lots and lots of reports of

528
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unexplained phenomena and there's no

529
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footfall Hardware so you realize that

530
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this place is is a special place when it

531
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comes to sightings of UFOs and sightings

532
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of Lights beneath the surface of the sea

533
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and I mean I'll not go into detail about

534
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Ben walgate's report because it's been

535
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somebody spoke to Bennett flambora I

536
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hope I can get to speak to him and told

537
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him about an 8 A.M

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early morning Saturday night bright

539
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sunny day of an object leaving the sea

540
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near the lighthouse at flumbra myself

541
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yeah myself and Jason Davis who has done

542
00:20:50,990 --> 00:20:46,020
the artwork on uh night people

543
00:20:54,289 --> 00:20:51,000
uh we saw multiple spheres of light over

544
00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:54,299
the sea of flambre head when Jason came

545
00:21:00,049 --> 00:20:56,400
up for a few days we filmed them with

546
00:21:02,690 --> 00:21:00,059
psionics cameras unfortunately uh

547
00:21:04,370 --> 00:21:02,700
and I preferred my Sony's 4k camera to

548
00:21:05,750 --> 00:21:04,380
be honest but they don't cope with

549
00:21:07,490 --> 00:21:05,760
lights as well as a psionics but a

550
00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:07,500
psionics does not give you a proper

551
00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:09,600
representation of the color

552
00:21:13,310 --> 00:21:12,000
you know yeah you can see in the dark

553
00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:13,320
where they can't but it doesn't be a

554
00:21:16,190 --> 00:21:14,880
proper representation of the color and

555
00:21:18,169 --> 00:21:16,200
these were bright orange with the

556
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:18,179
psionics they've come out white but you

557
00:21:20,750 --> 00:21:19,200
know we've got them I mean I'm not

558
00:21:24,049 --> 00:21:20,760
really showing footage we've put some in

559
00:21:26,029 --> 00:21:24,059
for Wolf lands actually so yeah yeah but

560
00:21:27,470 --> 00:21:26,039
I found a couple of photographs on

561
00:21:29,330 --> 00:21:27,480
Facebook of yours and if you don't mind

562
00:21:30,950 --> 00:21:29,340
I'd like to just ask you about these and

563
00:21:33,169 --> 00:21:30,960
show them well I can't see them actually

564
00:21:35,810 --> 00:21:33,179
but so if I bring them up on the screen

565
00:21:37,070 --> 00:21:35,820
please I'll bring them up if let's have

566
00:21:39,049 --> 00:21:37,080
a look because these really stood out

567
00:21:42,529 --> 00:21:39,059
and I didn't know if they had a prosaic

568
00:21:43,730 --> 00:21:42,539
explanation no they were filmed uh with

569
00:21:46,669 --> 00:21:43,740
Jason Davis

570
00:21:48,110 --> 00:21:46,679
uh now these these frame captures are

571
00:21:49,690 --> 00:21:48,120
they

572
00:21:52,130 --> 00:21:49,700
yes

573
00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:52,140
I can assure you if anybody gets to

574
00:21:55,850 --> 00:21:53,760
watch Wolf lands you'll see these things

575
00:21:57,950 --> 00:21:55,860
just appearing and disappearing they're

576
00:22:00,770 --> 00:21:57,960
not they're not flying they're just

577
00:22:03,649 --> 00:22:00,780
literally just switching on and that's

578
00:22:06,890 --> 00:22:03,659
that's the way these things operate uh

579
00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:06,900
we took a I took a Old Rock angler up

580
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:08,880
onto Cliff tops

581
00:22:13,490 --> 00:22:11,280
oh about two years ago called Mick

582
00:22:14,750 --> 00:22:13,500
sigson and he's Keen to tell he's a

583
00:22:17,149 --> 00:22:14,760
great guy but he's Keen to tell you he's

584
00:22:20,090 --> 00:22:17,159
fished these Cliffs man and boy 50 years

585
00:22:21,950 --> 00:22:20,100
you know he's in his 70s Mick and he

586
00:22:23,690 --> 00:22:21,960
dropped on us this the particular night

587
00:22:26,270 --> 00:22:23,700
so if you want I'll just tell you

588
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:26,280
briefly please well we're on the cliff

589
00:22:29,330 --> 00:22:27,600
tops

590
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:29,340
Pitch Black Knight there's no buildings

591
00:22:33,710 --> 00:22:31,440
anywhere it's devoid of everything and

592
00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:33,720
there's a lone rock Angler

593
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:36,000
about a mile down Coast we can see his

594
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:38,159
headlight his torch and these guys

595
00:22:41,149 --> 00:22:39,600
literally have said it many times they

596
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:41,159
literally climb over the fence stand on

597
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:42,720
the edge of these Cliffs three to four

598
00:22:49,010 --> 00:22:46,799
hundred foot cast out on the fishing so

599
00:22:50,450 --> 00:22:49,020
he starts walking towards us after half

600
00:22:52,250 --> 00:22:50,460
an hour three quarts of an hour I said

601
00:22:53,570 --> 00:22:52,260
to Bob when he comes it gets a bit

602
00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:53,580
closer I'm gonna put a light on I don't

603
00:22:57,710 --> 00:22:55,679
want to start film and that's what I did

604
00:23:00,289 --> 00:22:57,720
so he stops he's got his rod and his bag

605
00:23:02,510 --> 00:23:00,299
and he's having a Nutter to us and he

606
00:23:05,330 --> 00:23:02,520
knew who I was even though I didn't know

607
00:23:07,970 --> 00:23:05,340
him and uh because he knew that this guy

608
00:23:10,250 --> 00:23:07,980
coming up here speaking to rock handlers

609
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:10,260
and speaking to people around there see

610
00:23:14,330 --> 00:23:12,960
trying to gather information yeah and I

611
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:14,340
asked him if he'd seen these spheres of

612
00:23:17,630 --> 00:23:15,840
light what you're on about that's the

613
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:17,640
psionics image that so they they're

614
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:19,200
bright orange what you can see in that

615
00:23:26,090 --> 00:23:22,559
picture oh right okay they're a vivid

616
00:23:28,850 --> 00:23:26,100
orange but this that's the letdown of of

617
00:23:30,169 --> 00:23:28,860
that camera you know yeah they're

618
00:23:31,610 --> 00:23:30,179
they're bright orange and the lights

619
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:31,620
that you can see on the horizon are

620
00:23:36,590 --> 00:23:33,840
fishing boat so you can see and from

621
00:23:38,690 --> 00:23:36,600
that altitude you've probably got 18

622
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:38,700
miles because that's at Lighthouse then

623
00:23:43,310 --> 00:23:40,080
Cliff Santa's eye so you're looking at

624
00:23:46,669 --> 00:23:43,320
18 miles to Horizon right on Horizon

625
00:23:48,590 --> 00:23:46,679
that you can see in bottom so what am I

626
00:23:50,810 --> 00:23:48,600
saying here so yeah this mixing some uh

627
00:23:53,029 --> 00:23:50,820
he said he'd never seen these lights and

628
00:23:54,770 --> 00:23:53,039
he fished in all these years he said but

629
00:23:57,230 --> 00:23:54,780
I have seen a spaceship

630
00:23:59,210 --> 00:23:57,240
I said really and there's a hill at the

631
00:24:02,810 --> 00:23:59,220
back of us where we were stuck so it

632
00:24:04,850 --> 00:24:02,820
landed on that hill in 1998 November in

633
00:24:06,830 --> 00:24:04,860
a club match you said because our

634
00:24:08,750 --> 00:24:06,840
fishing matches the fire fishing globe

635
00:24:10,430 --> 00:24:08,760
and the various ones that like to fish

636
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:10,440
these Cliff tops so he went on to

637
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:12,000
explain

638
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:13,919
I already knew story but I had a

639
00:24:17,330 --> 00:24:15,360
second-hand account so I'd never written

640
00:24:19,490 --> 00:24:17,340
about it I knew the son of one of the

641
00:24:21,289 --> 00:24:19,500
Anglers who were there that night and he

642
00:24:23,149 --> 00:24:21,299
told me that his dad saw this spaceship

643
00:24:25,610 --> 00:24:23,159
land he didn't say on that Hill because

644
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:25,620
he's just relating it to me away from

645
00:24:29,450 --> 00:24:26,640
that setting

646
00:24:31,370 --> 00:24:29,460
and they were all frightened and some of

647
00:24:33,169 --> 00:24:31,380
them left the fishing tackle and did a

648
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:33,179
runner so he's telling me about this

649
00:24:38,210 --> 00:24:35,520
thing he said I turned round he said my

650
00:24:40,250 --> 00:24:38,220
first impression was what's a what's a

651
00:24:42,590 --> 00:24:40,260
combine harvester doing up on ill at

652
00:24:44,570 --> 00:24:42,600
that this time of year then I realized I

653
00:24:47,090 --> 00:24:44,580
could see between the hill and the

654
00:24:49,789 --> 00:24:47,100
object I can see sky

655
00:24:53,390 --> 00:24:49,799
so he said would this he starts to

656
00:24:55,549 --> 00:24:53,400
descend it's just a Big Blob of yellowy

657
00:24:59,270 --> 00:24:55,559
orange light all lights flashing all

658
00:25:02,029 --> 00:24:59,280
over on it you said silent and this hill

659
00:25:04,370 --> 00:25:02,039
is about 150 yards away from where we

660
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:04,380
were stunned but that's basically where

661
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:07,440
we're at we are all time yeah when we me

662
00:25:12,169 --> 00:25:09,600
and Bob go up there he said and then as

663
00:25:13,850 --> 00:25:12,179
it started to land all Sparks started to

664
00:25:16,909 --> 00:25:13,860
come off it around it and when it landed

665
00:25:18,409 --> 00:25:16,919
a ring of flames came around it he said

666
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:18,419
that what it were left

667
00:25:23,930 --> 00:25:21,840
we won't stay no no more but what I'm

668
00:25:25,310 --> 00:25:23,940
what I'm getting at here so I'm just

669
00:25:27,890 --> 00:25:25,320
sort of rambling on a little bit here

670
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:27,900
very sorry no that's good I asked him

671
00:25:33,649 --> 00:25:30,000
about the orange lights and I've got Bob

672
00:25:36,110 --> 00:25:33,659
Brown stood with me

673
00:25:38,590 --> 00:25:36,120
and as we're stood there talking

674
00:25:41,210 --> 00:25:38,600
two orange lights appear above us

675
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:41,220
seriously I've got the camcorder out

676
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:44,159
Sony nx80 half decent

677
00:25:48,350 --> 00:25:45,600
Switched Off

678
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:48,360
stand there

679
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:51,120
with waiting for it to happen again it

680
00:25:56,090 --> 00:25:53,039
didn't happen put the camera away the

681
00:25:57,470 --> 00:25:56,100
come back on again and it really

682
00:25:59,570 --> 00:25:57,480
happened like I'm walking down the

683
00:26:01,250 --> 00:25:59,580
cliffs that back back to the car park

684
00:26:03,169 --> 00:26:01,260
that's how it was happening I took a guy

685
00:26:05,390 --> 00:26:03,179
up there called Lee Haywood

686
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:05,400
please sort of familiar with everything

687
00:26:09,470 --> 00:26:07,679
that's in Sky bolts out on so you could

688
00:26:10,970 --> 00:26:09,480
have told you the lot is real switched

689
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:10,980
on guy

690
00:26:14,210 --> 00:26:12,480
if

691
00:26:16,130 --> 00:26:14,220
I don't want to put it yeah that's his

692
00:26:17,930 --> 00:26:16,140
name so anybody that wants to look fully

693
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:17,940
ask him about it he'll find him on

694
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:20,159
social media real really articulate

695
00:26:24,769 --> 00:26:21,840
switched on guy came to give me an

696
00:26:26,810 --> 00:26:24,779
explanation to what I was seeing an

697
00:26:29,210 --> 00:26:26,820
earth-based explanation and I didn't

698
00:26:31,130 --> 00:26:29,220
mind because Lisa you don't come at it

699
00:26:33,649 --> 00:26:31,140
with a you're talking a lot of rubbish

700
00:26:36,350 --> 00:26:33,659
Paul you know and I'll tell you what it

701
00:26:38,090 --> 00:26:36,360
is it comes out it's just a decent blow

702
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:38,100
we're driving down Cliff Lane to the

703
00:26:42,409 --> 00:26:39,360
cliff tops

704
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:42,419
ask me what the lights looked like

705
00:26:46,250 --> 00:26:44,880
and that sounds like a cliche or

706
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:46,260
something like that and there's one

707
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:47,760
there

708
00:26:52,669 --> 00:26:50,640
over the coast course of that night

709
00:26:55,250 --> 00:26:52,679
when we got set up I set a camera up

710
00:26:57,230 --> 00:26:55,260
these lights presented

711
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:57,240
five or six times at different intervals

712
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:00,240
you can't when you try to film them

713
00:27:05,930 --> 00:27:03,840
you you well it's it's virtually

714
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:05,940
impossible we got them with the psionics

715
00:27:09,710 --> 00:27:08,400
that night uh Chris Turner came up with

716
00:27:12,350 --> 00:27:09,720
me and Jerry Denning you'll know Jerry

717
00:27:15,710 --> 00:27:12,360
they're both good cameramen right yeah

718
00:27:17,330 --> 00:27:15,720
so so you you know anybody in chat ask

719
00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:17,340
them if they managed to film them I

720
00:27:21,049 --> 00:27:19,440
managed to film them and I got some

721
00:27:22,269 --> 00:27:21,059
footage of them I think I got I think I

722
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:22,279
got about

723
00:27:27,649 --> 00:27:25,200
three five to ten second segments but

724
00:27:29,210 --> 00:27:27,659
big time you you're looking and you

725
00:27:30,350 --> 00:27:29,220
can't quite believe what you're looking

726
00:27:32,750 --> 00:27:30,360
at and you're just putting your camera

727
00:27:35,570 --> 00:27:32,760
on they've gone Jerry from you know

728
00:27:37,070 --> 00:27:35,580
Chris didn't get him Jerry's Jerry

729
00:27:40,909 --> 00:27:37,080
wasn't interesting because he he will

730
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:40,919
measuring the 118 is it Calvin's uh and

731
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:43,440
he said it were a really unusual way too

732
00:27:49,070 --> 00:27:45,840
it was it'd be better qualified to speak

733
00:27:50,510 --> 00:27:49,080
about this life than me right and and I

734
00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:50,520
think he is qualified to speak about it

735
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:52,260
as well so

736
00:27:55,970 --> 00:27:54,480
um yeah interesting that as I say we

737
00:27:58,850 --> 00:27:55,980
taught Mick season and these things were

738
00:28:01,130 --> 00:27:58,860
turning off so I don't know what they

739
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:01,140
are intelligent light forms is what I

740
00:28:04,669 --> 00:28:02,880
call them ilfs

741
00:28:05,810 --> 00:28:04,679
yeah they're fascinating and you

742
00:28:07,070 --> 00:28:05,820
mentioned that you've got some footage

743
00:28:08,930 --> 00:28:07,080
coming up in your new documentary

744
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:08,940
wolfland so let's talk about the

745
00:28:13,250 --> 00:28:11,039
documentary um what it's kind of about

746
00:28:15,049 --> 00:28:13,260
the gist of it and and then we can go

747
00:28:16,490 --> 00:28:15,059
into kind of the the process of actually

748
00:28:19,010 --> 00:28:16,500
putting it together if you don't mind

749
00:28:21,169 --> 00:28:19,020
yeah well it's evolved more than put

750
00:28:23,810 --> 00:28:21,179
together I'm doing the documentary 50

751
00:28:26,210 --> 00:28:23,820
50. well let's Drake it's all my

752
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:26,220
research and all my work sorry for

753
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:27,600
putting it like that people but it is

754
00:28:33,529 --> 00:28:30,480
but Les is the guy that's editing it Liz

755
00:28:35,570 --> 00:28:33,539
is is worked tirelessly wolf funds we've

756
00:28:37,490 --> 00:28:35,580
been doing it through years it's a it's

757
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:37,500
a new thing for Les because lizard

758
00:28:41,810 --> 00:28:39,600
filmed you're not Miami saying weddings

759
00:28:43,850 --> 00:28:41,820
and things like that before but he'd had

760
00:28:46,610 --> 00:28:43,860
an interest in unexplained phenomena so

761
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:46,620
we became friends and

762
00:28:50,269 --> 00:28:48,720
I said look I'd like to do this

763
00:28:52,970 --> 00:28:50,279
documentary I'd like to do something

764
00:28:55,789 --> 00:28:52,980
with this and it just grew it just

765
00:28:58,669 --> 00:28:55,799
evolved and I'd already got some

766
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:58,679
incredible witness accounts so we've

767
00:29:03,890 --> 00:29:01,440
just we've traveled from flixton in the

768
00:29:05,630 --> 00:29:03,900
film in the documentary it's an hour and

769
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:05,640
27 minutes at the moment and there's a

770
00:29:09,289 --> 00:29:07,200
little that's what it's all about finish

771
00:29:11,149 --> 00:29:09,299
out so it's not sort of you know

772
00:29:13,250 --> 00:29:11,159
something like a 30 minute job is

773
00:29:14,930 --> 00:29:13,260
there's a tons of work going into it and

774
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:14,940
we started in flixton

775
00:29:19,250 --> 00:29:17,039
because that's where the first stories

776
00:29:21,769 --> 00:29:19,260
of the flixton werewolf came to me back

777
00:29:23,389 --> 00:29:21,779
in 2014 2015 writing the first book

778
00:29:26,570 --> 00:29:23,399
that's the cover of the first child

779
00:29:29,570 --> 00:29:26,580
group or behind me and uh

780
00:29:31,370 --> 00:29:29,580
you know we're getting reports of people

781
00:29:34,909 --> 00:29:31,380
just claiming to see a fur covered

782
00:29:37,730 --> 00:29:34,919
bipedal animal in and around the area of

783
00:29:39,230 --> 00:29:37,740
flixton and Caton and it's impossible

784
00:29:43,130 --> 00:29:39,240
Vinnie and I think a lot of your

785
00:29:44,450 --> 00:29:43,140
listeners and people realize that I

786
00:29:46,430 --> 00:29:44,460
don't think we've got the landmass to

787
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:46,440
support anything like that or hide it

788
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:49,200
not around flixton you know we talk

789
00:29:53,090 --> 00:29:51,120
about flixton Wald and staxton world and

790
00:29:55,789 --> 00:29:53,100
the Woodland but it's not massive the

791
00:29:58,250 --> 00:29:55,799
forests of North Yorkshire we've got 525

792
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:58,260
square miles of forest and more and lots

793
00:30:03,070 --> 00:30:00,240
of it's on trod but I still don't

794
00:30:05,450 --> 00:30:03,080
believe that we've got something that's

795
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:05,460
permanently living and breathing in

796
00:30:08,930 --> 00:30:06,960
those areas I just can't get my head

797
00:30:11,710 --> 00:30:08,940
around how it could be

798
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:11,720
but we've got these reports from

799
00:30:16,730 --> 00:30:14,399
independent people unconnected to one

800
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:16,740
another describing

801
00:30:21,529 --> 00:30:19,679
seeing something akin to what we will

802
00:30:23,930 --> 00:30:21,539
describe as a werewolf or if you want to

803
00:30:25,010 --> 00:30:23,940
call it a dog man I think a camp seems

804
00:30:26,990 --> 00:30:25,020
splitting

805
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:27,000
or somebody wants to call it a dog man

806
00:30:32,810 --> 00:30:29,520
and it's almost as though we can't call

807
00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:32,820
it that who cares it's it's a fur

808
00:30:36,769 --> 00:30:34,799
covered bipedal creature and regardless

809
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:36,779
of what you want to call it and I do

810
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:38,399
believe that these people have seen this

811
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:40,559
what they claim to have seen you know we

812
00:30:47,409 --> 00:30:41,760
go back

813
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:49,730
1084 years ago

814
00:30:56,090 --> 00:30:53,520
and you've got the king then having the

815
00:30:58,669 --> 00:30:56,100
Refuge built at flixton

816
00:31:01,010 --> 00:30:58,679
for the protection of travelers from

817
00:31:02,690 --> 00:31:01,020
wolves so we know that wolves would have

818
00:31:05,090 --> 00:31:02,700
been prevalent don't we that was without

819
00:31:07,549 --> 00:31:05,100
saying what do you come there's that

820
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:07,559
other line tagged on to it and an

821
00:31:12,830 --> 00:31:11,279
infestation of savage beasts so I don't

822
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:12,840
know is it a play on words is Paul

823
00:31:16,690 --> 00:31:14,880
trying to say oh that's what they were

824
00:31:19,610 --> 00:31:16,700
I don't know

825
00:31:21,470 --> 00:31:19,620
the writing is there and then throughout

826
00:31:24,169 --> 00:31:21,480
that time I've got reports from the 50s

827
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:24,179
Not a thousand and 84 years ago sorry

828
00:31:29,810 --> 00:31:28,080
from the 1940s the 1950s 60s 70s right

829
00:31:31,730 --> 00:31:29,820
up to present day

830
00:31:33,710 --> 00:31:31,740
and they're not doing it for kicks most

831
00:31:35,810 --> 00:31:33,720
a lot of the reports will never get to a

832
00:31:37,789 --> 00:31:35,820
documentary like wolf lands they might

833
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:37,799
get in a book with a name change because

834
00:31:42,350 --> 00:31:39,360
people

835
00:31:43,970 --> 00:31:42,360
are afraid of the stigma that's attached

836
00:31:47,510 --> 00:31:43,980
to saying they've seen something like

837
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:47,520
this you know there's a forest not far

838
00:31:51,710 --> 00:31:50,399
from uh flixton and there's got there's

839
00:31:53,210 --> 00:31:51,720
a Watercourse the Riverdale once

840
00:31:55,010 --> 00:31:53,220
everything seems to follow the Darwin

841
00:31:56,510 --> 00:31:55,020
which is interesting

842
00:31:59,450 --> 00:31:56,520
but there's a forest up there called

843
00:32:03,710 --> 00:31:59,460
broxa Forest there's three men from

844
00:32:05,529 --> 00:32:03,720
Rotherham Who Loved wild camping and

845
00:32:08,269 --> 00:32:05,539
they'd

846
00:32:10,430 --> 00:32:08,279
basically Jim would pick an area he

847
00:32:13,490 --> 00:32:10,440
would he was sort of the leader great

848
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:13,500
guy and uh they'd go somewhere remote

849
00:32:18,769 --> 00:32:17,039
take a few beers maybe a lot enough food

850
00:32:20,330 --> 00:32:18,779
for what they wanted and they'd just set

851
00:32:23,090 --> 00:32:20,340
up camp and they'd do it a couple of

852
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:23,100
times a year and they chose brought sir

853
00:32:27,409 --> 00:32:25,440
and we've got two of them gone on film

854
00:32:30,289 --> 00:32:27,419
they've spent nights in forest with us

855
00:32:32,570 --> 00:32:30,299
since 2018 that they claimed to have

856
00:32:34,490 --> 00:32:32,580
seen this thing but the witnesser won't

857
00:32:37,130 --> 00:32:34,500
go on film and that's fair

858
00:32:39,470 --> 00:32:37,140
he knew it were there before they saw it

859
00:32:40,850 --> 00:32:39,480
the defendant it's an 800 foot Ravine

860
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:40,860
into the bottom of the Ravine and you've

861
00:32:44,690 --> 00:32:42,720
got the river Darwin to the set Camp up

862
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:44,700
they've not been they're not looking for

863
00:32:48,529 --> 00:32:46,559
an unexplained phenomena they're not

864
00:32:50,690 --> 00:32:48,539
looking for anything weird they're there

865
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:50,700
to just have a weekend

866
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:53,760
in Wild this is an old old Woodland Old

867
00:32:58,490 --> 00:32:57,360
Forest and he's saying we've got to go I

868
00:33:00,169 --> 00:32:58,500
don't like it we're being watched

869
00:33:01,549 --> 00:33:00,179
something's watching us

870
00:33:03,049 --> 00:33:01,559
and they're looking at him and they

871
00:33:06,289 --> 00:33:03,059
can't work it out because it's just out

872
00:33:08,090 --> 00:33:06,299
of character it's getting dark and this

873
00:33:09,710 --> 00:33:08,100
Ravine you come down on your backside in

874
00:33:12,830 --> 00:33:09,720
places I mean we've been in it we've

875
00:33:15,649 --> 00:33:12,840
spent nights in it and uh

876
00:33:18,049 --> 00:33:15,659
it's I don't like it I don't like it and

877
00:33:20,210 --> 00:33:18,059
then this went on and on and on and then

878
00:33:22,669 --> 00:33:20,220
Jim said and Steve they said we'd been

879
00:33:25,730 --> 00:33:22,679
sat there for a while and suddenly

880
00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:25,740
a few pair of Amber eyes lit up in

881
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:28,159
darkness no light on

882
00:33:31,610 --> 00:33:30,000
self-illuminating Now where's this

883
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:31,620
bioluminescence come from that's nothing

884
00:33:36,649 --> 00:33:34,799
normal to Animal Kingdom when all the

885
00:33:38,509 --> 00:33:36,659
marine life have it but what I'm saying

886
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:38,519
is not not some

887
00:33:43,070 --> 00:33:40,799
living breathing mammal without a torch

888
00:33:45,049 --> 00:33:43,080
sticking on it and highlighting eyes

889
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:45,059
so he said all the time he's getting

890
00:33:47,630 --> 00:33:46,320
he's frightened now and they're trying

891
00:33:49,310 --> 00:33:47,640
to contain him they think he's going to

892
00:33:51,529 --> 00:33:49,320
run off into the darkness

893
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:51,539
he said in the end

894
00:33:55,009 --> 00:33:52,799
stood up

895
00:33:56,750 --> 00:33:55,019
and I made a few took a few steps

896
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:56,760
towards it he says I didn't know what it

897
00:34:01,490 --> 00:33:59,039
wanted about three foot off ground

898
00:34:04,610 --> 00:34:01,500
but they were huge eyes he likened them

899
00:34:07,610 --> 00:34:04,620
to the size of a cow's eyes apart and

900
00:34:10,190 --> 00:34:07,620
right he said met a few hissing sounds

901
00:34:12,649 --> 00:34:10,200
and it disappeared so that turned around

902
00:34:15,230 --> 00:34:12,659
and when I looked at we'll call him

903
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:15,240
witness C or B whatever you want and

904
00:34:20,570 --> 00:34:17,760
Steve he said just literally Jaws have

905
00:34:22,490 --> 00:34:20,580
dropped so when I turn back and these

906
00:34:24,829 --> 00:34:22,500
are these words I can we've been so

907
00:34:26,750 --> 00:34:24,839
interested in wolfland he said I went I

908
00:34:28,570 --> 00:34:26,760
just went oh my God he said I've never

909
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:28,580
felt fear like that before

910
00:34:33,530 --> 00:34:31,440
I'm going three footing ground off in

911
00:34:36,609 --> 00:34:33,540
off the ground these eyes are now seven

912
00:34:39,649 --> 00:34:36,619
foot in air and they can see this thing

913
00:34:41,690 --> 00:34:39,659
I find that incredible it watched them

914
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:41,700
all night it stood watching them all

915
00:34:45,550 --> 00:34:43,919
night terrifying them didn't Advance

916
00:34:48,290 --> 00:34:45,560
towards them

917
00:34:49,730 --> 00:34:48,300
they turned to one side a few times they

918
00:34:52,070 --> 00:34:49,740
could see a muzzle Steve said if you'd

919
00:34:54,169 --> 00:34:52,080
have asked me to draw a werewolf I would

920
00:34:57,609 --> 00:34:54,179
not have drawn that he said it looked

921
00:35:00,349 --> 00:34:57,619
ridiculous he said its ears were so big

922
00:35:01,310 --> 00:35:00,359
pointed and stuck up the muzzle was so

923
00:35:03,230 --> 00:35:01,320
long

924
00:35:05,390 --> 00:35:03,240
they said buddy but just built

925
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:05,400
incredible he said you couldn't have fit

926
00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:07,440
two men into its size

927
00:35:11,450 --> 00:35:10,079
so then we've got seven miles away

928
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,460
in a neighboring Forest because

929
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:13,200
everything's linked just but it's just

930
00:35:18,589 --> 00:35:16,079
altered by name yeah with cropton and

931
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:18,599
stape and there's a Game Keeper who'll

932
00:35:24,349 --> 00:35:21,599
see something very similar in 2002

933
00:35:27,130 --> 00:35:24,359
and he's he's using an abandoned

934
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:27,140
Farmhouse as he's uh as his base camp

935
00:35:32,329 --> 00:35:29,520
like his exact words he said I've gone a

936
00:35:35,569 --> 00:35:32,339
bit feral you know Farmhouse have been

937
00:35:38,210 --> 00:35:35,579
abandoned since 1956 I think

938
00:35:39,650 --> 00:35:38,220
and he came across it and he's laid in a

939
00:35:42,109 --> 00:35:39,660
sleeping bag one night

940
00:35:44,329 --> 00:35:42,119
he says doors bolted up other doors

941
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:44,339
barricaded up because they don't doesn't

942
00:35:49,849 --> 00:35:48,000
lock yeah Fire's dead

943
00:35:52,190 --> 00:35:49,859
there's only glowing numbers

944
00:35:53,810 --> 00:35:52,200
he said no locked up and this thing just

945
00:35:58,910 --> 00:35:53,820
comes that window and it's looking in at

946
00:36:01,609 --> 00:35:58,920
me and seven miles away say but

947
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:01,619
if we if we remove the names it's just

948
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:04,320
all one area yeah you know you know

949
00:36:07,490 --> 00:36:05,520
you'll have a bit of more land in

950
00:36:10,970 --> 00:36:07,500
between and rivers and streams

951
00:36:13,250 --> 00:36:10,980
and uh but what's interesting Vinnie the

952
00:36:14,329 --> 00:36:13,260
night or the a few nights before I'm not

953
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:14,339
gonna say the night because I don't

954
00:36:18,410 --> 00:36:16,320
think we're all a bit loose on the at

955
00:36:21,050 --> 00:36:18,420
the exact time frame before but he's

956
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:21,060
walking back to The Farmhouse where his

957
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:22,560
cousin old come to stay with him for a

958
00:36:26,210 --> 00:36:24,240
few days his cousin went the following

959
00:36:28,370 --> 00:36:26,220
day and as they're walking along one of

960
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:28,380
these logging roads between 10 and 11 at

961
00:36:32,030 --> 00:36:29,280
night

962
00:36:34,430 --> 00:36:32,040
a sphere of light just sprung from the

963
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:34,440
ground at the side of them he said about

964
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:36,720
baseball size he says I immediately

965
00:36:41,630 --> 00:36:39,119
dropped my cousin to the floor and got

966
00:36:43,730 --> 00:36:41,640
down he says ex-marine this guy he says

967
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:43,740
I thought we'd caught a tripway affleur

968
00:36:48,109 --> 00:36:46,079
this is expected squatties to come out

969
00:36:51,230 --> 00:36:48,119
because we're only a few miles from

970
00:36:53,690 --> 00:36:51,240
filing Dales yeah and what have you he

971
00:36:56,210 --> 00:36:53,700
said but nothing absolutely nothing he

972
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:56,220
says the next day I got up so Danny went

973
00:36:58,910 --> 00:36:57,599
told me says and I knew exactly where

974
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:58,920
we'd seen it it says I look for

975
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:00,480
magnesium Burns anything he said there

976
00:37:04,010 --> 00:37:02,640
are nothing but after that sphere of

977
00:37:07,310 --> 00:37:04,020
light

978
00:37:08,810 --> 00:37:07,320
he said Jeff's words every if everything

979
00:37:11,630 --> 00:37:08,820
foretold after that that's what he said

980
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:11,640
he said I'd be walking around doing jobs

981
00:37:15,470 --> 00:37:13,920
around forests I don't got thousands of

982
00:37:17,450 --> 00:37:15,480
acres to maintain so I don't know what

983
00:37:18,770 --> 00:37:17,460
they were doing he said but I couldn't

984
00:37:20,089 --> 00:37:18,780
hear voices

985
00:37:22,730 --> 00:37:20,099
like

986
00:37:24,170 --> 00:37:22,740
near me And he says it were unnerving it

987
00:37:25,609 --> 00:37:24,180
was strange

988
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:25,619
me and the other one of other game

989
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:27,359
Keepers we could hear a baby crying now

990
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:29,760
that sounds Bigfoot related to some of

991
00:37:34,250 --> 00:37:31,920
the things that we've been talked about

992
00:37:36,650 --> 00:37:34,260
in the past but regardless Bigfoot

993
00:37:38,329 --> 00:37:36,660
whatever it's it's Cryptid related yeah

994
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:38,339
because when we walked to where we could

995
00:37:43,310 --> 00:37:39,359
hear

996
00:37:46,010 --> 00:37:43,320
the perceived infant crane to stop and

997
00:37:48,349 --> 00:37:46,020
it said start deeper into the forest

998
00:37:50,329 --> 00:37:48,359
so there were lots of things happening

999
00:37:52,430 --> 00:37:50,339
after the sphere of light and then that

1000
00:37:54,410 --> 00:37:52,440
this particular night is laid there

1001
00:37:56,690 --> 00:37:54,420
and this thing comes he says he stood at

1002
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:56,700
the window he says um this guy's huge

1003
00:38:02,210 --> 00:38:00,240
massive man Jeff and he said

1004
00:38:03,530 --> 00:38:02,220
twice as broad as me says it was just

1005
00:38:05,089 --> 00:38:03,540
incredibly I'm not saying that he

1006
00:38:06,170 --> 00:38:05,099
weren't about his head I said we sat

1007
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:06,180
there because we've done all this for

1008
00:38:11,089 --> 00:38:08,640
Wolf lands just how big was it this

1009
00:38:15,230 --> 00:38:11,099
thing's head and he went

1010
00:38:17,630 --> 00:38:15,240
estimated 15 inches you know what and it

1011
00:38:19,970 --> 00:38:17,640
was stopping down it was it was it was

1012
00:38:21,650 --> 00:38:19,980
taller than the window and then right

1013
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:21,660
we've measured this so we know it was

1014
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:24,000
over seven foot tall and then the

1015
00:38:29,569 --> 00:38:27,359
following the following night that he

1016
00:38:32,030 --> 00:38:29,579
didn't stay after that he what he

1017
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:32,040
decided to do he said I'm gonna get the

1018
00:38:35,569 --> 00:38:33,359
drop on it and he didn't mean they were

1019
00:38:37,390 --> 00:38:35,579
going to wrestle this thing people he it

1020
00:38:39,710 --> 00:38:37,400
was it was he says I were that curious

1021
00:38:43,069 --> 00:38:39,720
and I didn't drive he said I've got a

1022
00:38:44,210 --> 00:38:43,079
quad bike but if to to go back home my

1023
00:38:47,390 --> 00:38:44,220
parents would have to come and pick me

1024
00:38:49,329 --> 00:38:47,400
up he said so I wasn't going nowhere he

1025
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:49,339
said so

1026
00:38:56,510 --> 00:38:53,760
back in in 2002 You've Got The Farmhouse

1027
00:38:59,390 --> 00:38:56,520
and you've got 40 foot pounds to the

1028
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:59,400
edge of it sides and at the back and

1029
00:39:03,530 --> 00:39:01,200
you've got a clearing of about 30 foot

1030
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:03,540
in front of it the next 40 foot packs

1031
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:04,800
it's all cleared now it's all being

1032
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:07,200
filled it's all clear fell

1033
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:10,079
so I set a tap down on the ground in

1034
00:39:16,609 --> 00:39:13,680
front of it 30 35 foot away under these

1035
00:39:18,890 --> 00:39:16,619
these sort of pine branches and I waited

1036
00:39:20,690 --> 00:39:18,900
and I sat there it says and in early

1037
00:39:23,450 --> 00:39:20,700
hours at morning I'm not sure what time

1038
00:39:26,450 --> 00:39:23,460
it says it came out this isn't it came

1039
00:39:28,609 --> 00:39:26,460
out from from the left-hand side

1040
00:39:31,690 --> 00:39:28,619
he says and it went outside at Farmhouse

1041
00:39:35,109 --> 00:39:31,700
he says his head what above the gutter

1042
00:39:37,730 --> 00:39:35,119
now we're not talking that this is a ban

1043
00:39:40,190 --> 00:39:37,740
normal standardized single story and

1044
00:39:42,109 --> 00:39:40,200
then you've got The Farmhouse so let's

1045
00:39:44,210 --> 00:39:42,119
not you know so we're looking at seven

1046
00:39:46,010 --> 00:39:44,220
seven over seven foot taller says

1047
00:39:47,870 --> 00:39:46,020
he said but they were all tough to Grass

1048
00:39:49,609 --> 00:39:47,880
this thing were abandoned they were

1049
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:49,619
nothing level there's no paths or

1050
00:39:54,050 --> 00:39:52,079
anything he says but it it just came

1051
00:39:56,329 --> 00:39:54,060
down in one small motion it didn't right

1052
00:39:58,730 --> 00:39:56,339
it went up he said I didn't see no leg

1053
00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:58,740
movement it's arrived

1054
00:40:03,890 --> 00:40:01,440
and then he stood looking in the window

1055
00:40:05,870 --> 00:40:03,900
he says I'd packed my sleeping bag with

1056
00:40:07,730 --> 00:40:05,880
the fire so all that would die down

1057
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:07,740
again he says I'm in the sleeping bag

1058
00:40:13,370 --> 00:40:09,839
but I'm not he says and it's still

1059
00:40:15,950 --> 00:40:13,380
looking in he says but I knew he knew I

1060
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:15,960
were here I said don't ask me out he

1061
00:40:19,849 --> 00:40:17,280
says either that or there were another

1062
00:40:24,050 --> 00:40:19,859
one watching me he says so I'm it's

1063
00:40:25,310 --> 00:40:24,060
watching me while I'm watching it from a

1064
00:40:27,410 --> 00:40:25,320
distance he said and it just stood

1065
00:40:29,329 --> 00:40:27,420
looking in he said I didn't see no ears

1066
00:40:31,010 --> 00:40:29,339
I didn't see no gnashing teeth I saw no

1067
00:40:34,730 --> 00:40:31,020
glowing eyes I just saw this monstrous

1068
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:34,740
head the huge shoulders and arms and I

1069
00:40:38,270 --> 00:40:36,720
don't recall seeing legs because he just

1070
00:40:40,310 --> 00:40:38,280
arrived which is odd

1071
00:40:41,930 --> 00:40:40,320
stayed there for five to ten minutes and

1072
00:40:43,849 --> 00:40:41,940
then it went back into the forest he

1073
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:43,859
said he waited for 20 minutes half an

1074
00:40:46,190 --> 00:40:44,640
hour

1075
00:40:47,870 --> 00:40:46,200
and then went round the back of the farm

1076
00:40:49,970 --> 00:40:47,880
I was actually terrified I've got to

1077
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:49,980
admit I really I think I'd have just

1078
00:40:55,130 --> 00:40:52,880
stayed where I want all night

1079
00:40:56,569 --> 00:40:55,140
he says going into The Farmhouse well

1080
00:40:58,910 --> 00:40:56,579
the unnerving because he didn't know

1081
00:41:00,890 --> 00:40:58,920
whether there were anything inside so he

1082
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:00,900
had an uneasy night he said and after

1083
00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:03,119
that he left and he you know and he's

1084
00:41:06,890 --> 00:41:05,640
we've been back we've spent a few nights

1085
00:41:09,650 --> 00:41:06,900
in not

1086
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:09,660
exact area but in and around the area

1087
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:11,520
you know because I think to do these

1088
00:41:18,410 --> 00:41:14,880
Witnesses Justice I've got to put myself

1089
00:41:20,450 --> 00:41:18,420
where they are yeah and and uh it's it's

1090
00:41:22,849 --> 00:41:20,460
easy you see all these documentaries of

1091
00:41:24,170 --> 00:41:22,859
anywhere they'll sit in a cafe having a

1092
00:41:25,490 --> 00:41:24,180
coffee and Witnesses telling them what

1093
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:25,500
they saw and then you get this

1094
00:41:30,829 --> 00:41:27,599
reconstructed flashback of this thing

1095
00:41:32,569 --> 00:41:30,839
let's get to the location and seriously

1096
00:41:34,510 --> 00:41:32,579
I sound like a boast but I don't think

1097
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:34,520
there's a documentary like wolf lands

1098
00:41:40,609 --> 00:41:36,720
certainly never been made in the in this

1099
00:41:42,890 --> 00:41:40,619
country right you know but time will

1100
00:41:44,569 --> 00:41:42,900
tell only absolutely and when we're

1101
00:41:47,810 --> 00:41:44,579
looking for the release date of this

1102
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:47,820
documentary we're finished with uh you

1103
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:49,440
know because I've been talking about oh

1104
00:41:52,910 --> 00:41:50,640
we're very close we're very close for

1105
00:41:55,849 --> 00:41:52,920
ages we're finished it's gone it's gone

1106
00:41:57,890 --> 00:41:55,859
to Mick park now uh who's who's kindly

1107
00:42:00,890 --> 00:41:57,900
doing the music for us and you know I

1108
00:42:03,290 --> 00:42:00,900
mean if you're looking to what makes

1109
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:03,300
does and has done you'll see that his

1110
00:42:07,730 --> 00:42:05,280
credentials and so we're really lucky

1111
00:42:09,290 --> 00:42:07,740
and my daughter's an opera singer well

1112
00:42:11,569 --> 00:42:09,300
one of my daughters is so she's doing

1113
00:42:13,010 --> 00:42:11,579
the harmonies so I don't know what first

1114
00:42:15,050 --> 00:42:13,020
trailer and you whether you heard

1115
00:42:18,109 --> 00:42:15,060
anything you know and so Jess is doing

1116
00:42:21,230 --> 00:42:18,119
harmonies mix wrote the lyrics for it so

1117
00:42:22,970 --> 00:42:21,240
we've he'll just put all build up to it

1118
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:22,980
I mean it's been on watching it because

1119
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:25,440
we've we've ripped all music out of it

1120
00:42:29,329 --> 00:42:27,119
we've had music as we've been doing it

1121
00:42:31,849 --> 00:42:29,339
just to give us some kind of person to

1122
00:42:33,410 --> 00:42:31,859
help Liz yeah I mean editing we've

1123
00:42:34,849 --> 00:42:33,420
ripped all the music out all the sound

1124
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,859
effects because it's gone to some

1125
00:42:38,750 --> 00:42:36,480
professionals to have that done now do

1126
00:42:40,490 --> 00:42:38,760
you know yeah and I don't know we're

1127
00:42:43,849 --> 00:42:40,500
gonna start pushing it like mad I

1128
00:42:46,190 --> 00:42:43,859
suppose we're pushing it now but uh New

1129
00:42:48,109 --> 00:42:46,200
Year January you know what I mean and uh

1130
00:42:49,790 --> 00:42:48,119
I've already contacted a few people to

1131
00:42:52,490 --> 00:42:49,800
do that and I don't know where we'll go

1132
00:42:55,550 --> 00:42:52,500
with it Vinnie we're uh we're we're

1133
00:42:57,170 --> 00:42:55,560
hopeful that it can be quite successful

1134
00:42:59,569 --> 00:42:57,180
that's all I can say really it could be

1135
00:43:00,890 --> 00:42:59,579
I'm looking ah no I'm sure it'll be

1136
00:43:01,809 --> 00:43:00,900
great I'm looking forward to it I really

1137
00:43:05,569 --> 00:43:01,819
am

1138
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:05,579
sorry no no please carry on well no I

1139
00:43:10,910 --> 00:43:08,640
was just going to say you know it it is

1140
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:10,920
Les has put a lot of work into it you

1141
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:13,440
know we've had arguments that can be as

1142
00:43:19,010 --> 00:43:15,839
awkward as anybody there really can and

1143
00:43:21,230 --> 00:43:19,020
and so can he but basically for amount

1144
00:43:22,970 --> 00:43:21,240
of time that we've invested we've kind

1145
00:43:25,069 --> 00:43:22,980
of rubbed along okay and he's put

1146
00:43:29,050 --> 00:43:25,079
himself in them places when we went into

1147
00:43:31,609 --> 00:43:29,060
broxter Forest 800 foot ravine this is

1148
00:43:33,230 --> 00:43:31,619
briefly this is this is how this is how

1149
00:43:36,410 --> 00:43:33,240
good these Witnesses were the ones from

1150
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:36,420
Rotherham the very first I I received

1151
00:43:40,190 --> 00:43:38,400
the story it got looking for answers

1152
00:43:42,589 --> 00:43:40,200
Steve they were looking after they'd

1153
00:43:44,329 --> 00:43:42,599
seen it he said they couldn't close my

1154
00:43:45,950 --> 00:43:44,339
eyes without saying this thing

1155
00:43:47,210 --> 00:43:45,960
and he appeared on one of our live

1156
00:43:49,010 --> 00:43:47,220
streams and there were a comment Came

1157
00:43:50,750 --> 00:43:49,020
Upon Truth live stream you know I've

1158
00:43:52,430 --> 00:43:50,760
seen something in North Forest in North

1159
00:43:56,829 --> 00:43:52,440
Yorkshire so I contacted him we got

1160
00:44:02,150 --> 00:43:59,870
me saying that it would absolutely he

1161
00:44:04,670 --> 00:44:02,160
said apart from Jim I couldn't talk to

1162
00:44:06,890 --> 00:44:04,680
anybody he said nobody I could talk to

1163
00:44:09,890 --> 00:44:06,900
about this he said I just didn't know

1164
00:44:12,290 --> 00:44:09,900
where to turn but my point is the very

1165
00:44:14,690 --> 00:44:12,300
first time that they agreed to meet us

1166
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:14,700
we met at a place called ristibank which

1167
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:17,280
means rancid basically uh and which is

1168
00:44:21,230 --> 00:44:19,200
just below blocks of forest and broxa

1169
00:44:23,390 --> 00:44:21,240
means In some cultures is a shapeshifter

1170
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:23,400
a shape-shifting demon so they're in a

1171
00:44:28,370 --> 00:44:25,680
forest called broxa so you know you know

1172
00:44:31,130 --> 00:44:28,380
so anyway let me get to my point they

1173
00:44:34,430 --> 00:44:31,140
drove straight from work an hour and

1174
00:44:36,890 --> 00:44:34,440
three quarter drive without any food the

1175
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:36,900
metals at Rusty bank went down into the

1176
00:44:40,609 --> 00:44:38,640
800-foot ravine

1177
00:44:42,829 --> 00:44:40,619
just to show us where they've seen it

1178
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:42,839
not to do any filming

1179
00:44:48,650 --> 00:44:44,880
climb back up the river

1180
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:48,660
and and went home so they were and now

1181
00:44:52,430 --> 00:44:50,400
that's that kind of tells you that

1182
00:44:55,550 --> 00:44:52,440
they're not in it just to

1183
00:44:57,170 --> 00:44:55,560
for some kind of Romancing story but my

1184
00:44:59,450 --> 00:44:57,180
bigger point is let's get just get back

1185
00:45:01,609 --> 00:44:59,460
to less Les went out that night

1186
00:45:03,710 --> 00:45:01,619
those would have been 65

1187
00:45:06,410 --> 00:45:03,720
it collapsed at top on night we were all

1188
00:45:08,990 --> 00:45:06,420
stood around him it were out it was that

1189
00:45:10,730 --> 00:45:09,000
arduous we all carried the kids up for

1190
00:45:12,410 --> 00:45:10,740
him we knew he weren't well you know

1191
00:45:13,490 --> 00:45:12,420
he's probably laughing I really might

1192
00:45:15,530 --> 00:45:13,500
not be laughing if he's listening to

1193
00:45:16,849 --> 00:45:15,540
this but I don't feel right well guys I

1194
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:16,859
don't feel well so we carried it all up

1195
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:19,680
because we're at work gets to top we

1196
00:45:23,690 --> 00:45:21,839
thought thank God he's got up we are as

1197
00:45:26,270 --> 00:45:23,700
you know what I mean having to carry him

1198
00:45:28,130 --> 00:45:26,280
up yeah I don't feel well and just

1199
00:45:30,829 --> 00:45:28,140
literally just fell over and that was it

1200
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:30,839
we thought he were dead we wish now we'd

1201
00:45:35,690 --> 00:45:32,400
have filmed him for a bit of drama for

1202
00:45:38,270 --> 00:45:35,700
Phil oh god seriously

1203
00:45:40,910 --> 00:45:38,280
so we were putting water in his mouth

1204
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:40,920
we're just running outside so no we've

1205
00:45:46,849 --> 00:45:45,119
got his clothes off of top claws and uh

1206
00:45:49,609 --> 00:45:46,859
it overeated it when he takes you off

1207
00:45:52,130 --> 00:45:49,619
exhausted right so we're at laboring

1208
00:45:54,109 --> 00:45:52,140
Point Let's just put feet on the ground

1209
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:54,119
and got stuck in he's not just sat

1210
00:45:58,510 --> 00:45:55,920
behind a keyboard looking at film that

1211
00:46:02,030 --> 00:45:58,520
we've done he's had a go yeah

1212
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:02,040
that's amazing wow dedication and there

1213
00:46:04,730 --> 00:46:03,359
is something to be said I think and I've

1214
00:46:06,530 --> 00:46:04,740
always said this that boots on the

1215
00:46:08,329 --> 00:46:06,540
ground research there's nothing like it

1216
00:46:10,609 --> 00:46:08,339
you can sit in front of a computer and

1217
00:46:12,349 --> 00:46:10,619
research and look at dig deep into

1218
00:46:13,910 --> 00:46:12,359
documents and that and that's great but

1219
00:46:15,770 --> 00:46:13,920
there's nothing better than being boots

1220
00:46:17,569 --> 00:46:15,780
on the ground really getting it getting

1221
00:46:19,130 --> 00:46:17,579
stuck in this location so that's

1222
00:46:20,569 --> 00:46:19,140
fantastic

1223
00:46:22,010 --> 00:46:20,579
um before we finish up I wanted to speak

1224
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:22,020
to you about because we met at a

1225
00:46:25,849 --> 00:46:23,760
conference and you know the conference

1226
00:46:28,010 --> 00:46:25,859
scene was you know with the the pandemic

1227
00:46:30,109 --> 00:46:28,020
that was non-existent

1228
00:46:31,550 --> 00:46:30,119
um so I'm quite new to that but you know

1229
00:46:32,990 --> 00:46:31,560
I get the idea that you've been doing it

1230
00:46:34,970 --> 00:46:33,000
for some time so I just wanted to know

1231
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:34,980
kind of when you first started hitting

1232
00:46:38,569 --> 00:46:37,200
the conference scene and has it evolved

1233
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:38,579
since then

1234
00:46:44,210 --> 00:46:42,240
well I I first one I did and I get asked

1235
00:46:46,430 --> 00:46:44,220
to do loads and I turn them down and

1236
00:46:48,410 --> 00:46:46,440
then I really I really do and it's not

1237
00:46:49,970 --> 00:46:48,420
because of the people the great people

1238
00:46:52,609 --> 00:46:49,980
uh

1239
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:52,619
I prefer to be sat listening to people

1240
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:55,440
rather or just Milling around at a

1241
00:46:58,730 --> 00:46:57,359
conference I said I don't know I think I

1242
00:47:01,250 --> 00:46:58,740
think it's I think there's a good bunch

1243
00:47:03,230 --> 00:47:01,260
of people within the conference scene at

1244
00:47:06,589 --> 00:47:03,240
the moment I've not had any kind of bad

1245
00:47:09,230 --> 00:47:06,599
experiences or you know you get we every

1246
00:47:11,329 --> 00:47:09,240
with that with every past time if that's

1247
00:47:13,250 --> 00:47:11,339
not till of Connie a thing to call

1248
00:47:14,930 --> 00:47:13,260
unexplained phenomenon people have an

1249
00:47:16,609 --> 00:47:14,940
interest in it there's a lot of

1250
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:16,619
different factions and people who

1251
00:47:21,470 --> 00:47:18,720
disagree and you know what but it's my

1252
00:47:23,390 --> 00:47:21,480
way or no way kind of thing but I don't

1253
00:47:25,609 --> 00:47:23,400
I don't really come across that I mean I

1254
00:47:27,650 --> 00:47:25,619
bet it's there but I've not really come

1255
00:47:30,410 --> 00:47:27,660
across it and uh there's some great

1256
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:30,420
conferences I really enjoy the Awakening

1257
00:47:36,349 --> 00:47:33,599
yeah like you know the treaders really

1258
00:47:39,230 --> 00:47:36,359
well you know you know you know content

1259
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:39,240
con conference organizers and they did

1260
00:47:44,510 --> 00:47:42,240
that mini the mini awaiting earlier in

1261
00:47:47,210 --> 00:47:44,520
the year and uh then there's the other

1262
00:47:50,270 --> 00:47:47,220
one the Minicon the one we had recently

1263
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:50,280
with uh Manchester yeah oh no the

1264
00:47:54,530 --> 00:47:53,040
Minicon in uh yes yeah I missed that I I

1265
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:54,540
had covert at the time so I was meant to

1266
00:47:57,890 --> 00:47:56,880
be honest they throw everything at it

1267
00:47:59,690 --> 00:47:57,900
really

1268
00:48:01,069 --> 00:47:59,700
and he said well what I took away from

1269
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:01,079
it is a really friendly atmosphere

1270
00:48:05,630 --> 00:48:03,839
really good and then then I spoke at

1271
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:05,640
Outer Limits conference

1272
00:48:10,550 --> 00:48:07,680
four times now I'm not I'm not going to

1273
00:48:12,410 --> 00:48:10,560
speak at it this year uh but enough

1274
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:12,420
there's a few that I've been asked to do

1275
00:48:18,550 --> 00:48:15,359
and I'm not doing I I think it basically

1276
00:48:20,770 --> 00:48:18,560
Vinnie it's time you know

1277
00:48:22,910 --> 00:48:20,780
you

1278
00:48:25,490 --> 00:48:22,920
stand there for an hour

1279
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:25,500
and I want I don't want to be scratching

1280
00:48:28,370 --> 00:48:27,119
me I don't think you know what just wait

1281
00:48:31,069 --> 00:48:28,380
a minute I'll just get that bit of paper

1282
00:48:34,490 --> 00:48:31,079
and I'll tell you I want it to flow so

1283
00:48:36,650 --> 00:48:34,500
and you can't do that everybody can talk

1284
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:36,660
but when you stood in front of quite a

1285
00:48:39,710 --> 00:48:38,400
few people you've got to be as

1286
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:39,720
professional as possible and that takes

1287
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:42,000
time and I don't and it's time that I

1288
00:48:47,329 --> 00:48:44,400
don't want to devote every time if I'm

1289
00:48:49,490 --> 00:48:47,339
being truthful plus I'm you're not for a

1290
00:48:52,450 --> 00:48:49,500
lot of these conferences you're not yeah

1291
00:48:55,490 --> 00:48:52,460
not getting a bean for doing it um

1292
00:48:57,230 --> 00:48:55,500
really well so no com no complaints at

1293
00:48:58,849 --> 00:48:57,240
all but a lot of them you'll not get

1294
00:49:01,010 --> 00:48:58,859
paid a bill and so you're investing a

1295
00:49:03,470 --> 00:49:01,020
lot of time for that for zilch do you

1296
00:49:07,010 --> 00:49:03,480
know and uh although you do get a chance

1297
00:49:08,329 --> 00:49:07,020
to sell your books uh but I'm not

1298
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:08,339
putting a negative slant on it they're

1299
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:10,079
all good I've I've had some good

1300
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:12,240
experiences from from from all of them

1301
00:49:17,390 --> 00:49:14,400
really yeah and that's one thing I'd say

1302
00:49:19,069 --> 00:49:17,400
is you know it's the ones I've been to

1303
00:49:20,750 --> 00:49:19,079
there's an array of speakers they might

1304
00:49:22,609 --> 00:49:20,760
not all be yours or cup of tea when it

1305
00:49:24,410 --> 00:49:22,619
comes to what they're talking about but

1306
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:24,420
it's those in between moments when

1307
00:49:27,770 --> 00:49:25,680
you're networking and you're meeting

1308
00:49:30,170 --> 00:49:27,780
people and and talking you know between

1309
00:49:32,089 --> 00:49:30,180
the speak the speakers they're just

1310
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:32,099
Priceless because you know I've met so

1311
00:49:35,690 --> 00:49:33,359
many good people that way yourself

1312
00:49:37,370 --> 00:49:35,700
included so do you know you're

1313
00:49:39,770 --> 00:49:37,380
absolutely spot on and that's why when I

1314
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:39,780
got to conferences I'm I find that I'm

1315
00:49:44,030 --> 00:49:42,000
not sat listening to anybody and it's

1316
00:49:46,670 --> 00:49:44,040
not because they're not interesting hey

1317
00:49:50,210 --> 00:49:46,680
I've got attention span of a fly but I

1318
00:49:52,490 --> 00:49:50,220
like speaking to people it's great it's

1319
00:49:54,550 --> 00:49:52,500
really good and funny you should say

1320
00:49:56,690 --> 00:49:54,560
that and I'm not naming any names here

1321
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:56,700
they're seriously are not going to do

1322
00:50:00,530 --> 00:49:58,800
that but there's there are certain

1323
00:50:01,790 --> 00:50:00,540
people or speakers who have I wouldn't

1324
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:01,800
be bothered if I never saw them again

1325
00:50:06,349 --> 00:50:03,839
because of the arrogance

1326
00:50:09,650 --> 00:50:06,359
feeling so Superior to everybody else

1327
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:09,660
anybody comes up to me at a conference

1328
00:50:14,030 --> 00:50:12,000
they'll get what they give me and if

1329
00:50:15,650 --> 00:50:14,040
they give if they're warm and kind

1330
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:15,660
that's all that's all they'll get back

1331
00:50:19,130 --> 00:50:17,760
from me do you know what I mean yeah you

1332
00:50:20,990 --> 00:50:19,140
see other people walking about and

1333
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:21,000
they're too far too important

1334
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:23,280
to talk to people and you can see people

1335
00:50:28,970 --> 00:50:26,640
wanting to talk to them and and and

1336
00:50:30,250 --> 00:50:28,980
they just want to avoid them I don't I

1337
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:30,260
don't get that do you know what I mean

1338
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:32,880
we're all we're all the same aren't we

1339
00:50:37,849 --> 00:50:35,760
at end at day we're all equal and uh

1340
00:50:39,530 --> 00:50:37,859
seriously I put that out there now see

1341
00:50:41,089 --> 00:50:39,540
me at a conference come up and talk I'm

1342
00:50:43,730 --> 00:50:41,099
happy to talk it's great that's what

1343
00:50:45,829 --> 00:50:43,740
it's all about absolutely you know thank

1344
00:50:47,210 --> 00:50:45,839
you so much for for being so you know

1345
00:50:48,829 --> 00:50:47,220
good with your time and that when I

1346
00:50:50,450 --> 00:50:48,839
first met you because I'm new to the

1347
00:50:51,890 --> 00:50:50,460
conference scene so it was you know it

1348
00:50:54,290 --> 00:50:51,900
was nerve-wracking at first you know

1349
00:50:56,089 --> 00:50:54,300
what's the etiquette but no you were you

1350
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:56,099
were totally welcome in it and uh yeah

1351
00:51:00,290 --> 00:50:58,079
so thank you for that well listen Paul

1352
00:51:02,690 --> 00:51:00,300
that's that's everything for tonight

1353
00:51:04,730 --> 00:51:02,700
um I'm so excited for Wolf lens I will

1354
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:04,740
keep my eye out I will keep pushing you

1355
00:51:08,750 --> 00:51:06,240
know any material that you put out

1356
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:08,760
trailers and and promotional materials

1357
00:51:12,049 --> 00:51:10,559
you know and then maybe next year when

1358
00:51:13,730 --> 00:51:12,059
it's been out for a while we can have

1359
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:13,740
you back on and see how it's gone and

1360
00:51:18,250 --> 00:51:15,359
and talk about it then that'd be

1361
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:18,260
fantastic thank you yeah appreciate that

1362
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:21,599
thank you thank you and everyone in the

1363
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:23,280
live chat you guys were great as awesome

1364
00:51:27,290 --> 00:51:25,440
and as always sorry

1365
00:51:29,450 --> 00:51:27,300
um I'm gonna be back this Saturday

1366
00:51:31,730 --> 00:51:29,460
um as part of uh crash retrieval week

1367
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:31,740
run by James iron dolia engaging the

1368
00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:33,359
phenomena I'm going to be speaking with

1369
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:36,720
Nicole said catch about uh her work uh

1370
00:51:40,849 --> 00:51:38,640
looking into crass retrievals the Wilson

1371
00:51:43,549 --> 00:51:40,859
Davis memo and more so come and join us

1372
00:51:45,470 --> 00:51:43,559
on Saturday for now guys thank you so